GIANTS After The Flood!
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Giants on the Earth
When were giants on the earth? Genesis 5:32-7:6 state that Noah’s sons (Shem, Ham and Japheth) were born when he was 500 years old; the flood came when he entered the ark at 600 years old. Gen 6:1-4 is the first account of the giants. Those giants are said to be the offspring of the “sons of God” and the “daughters of men”. They were supposedly destroyed in the flood. However, we also see giants on the earth after the flood! Who were THEY and where did they come from? For the sake of those who don't trust any Bible version, but the King James, I will be utilizing the KJV in this study.
sons of Seth or sons of God?
There is a debate in the bible scholar world as to whether these “sons of God”, prior to the flood, were of the “godly line of Seth” (Gen 5) who mated with the “daughters of Cain” (Gen 4), or whether they were “fallen angels” that did this deed.
Let’s first look up the word for “giants” in this account. It is the Hebrew word 5303 nephiyl or nephil (nef-eel’); from 5307; prop., a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant:-giant.
Where we get a little more insight to the root of this word is in the definition of 5307 naphal (naw-fal’); a prim. root; to fall, cast (down, out), fall (away, down) fugitive, be judged, throw down.
For this reason, these giants were called "Nephilim", after their 'fallen fathers'.
Next, we should confirm that angels are called “sons of God” in the first place. Job 38:4-7 confirms they are: “Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?”
If we look up the cross-references to Gen 6:4, we find 2 Pet 2:4-5 and Jude 6-7:
Gen 6:4 “There were giants [5303] in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”
- 2 Pet 2:4-5 “For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [Tartaroo - Strongs Exhaustive Concordance #5020 - From Tartaros (the deepest abyss of Hades); to incarcerate in eternal torment -- cast down to hell], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly”
- Jude 6-7 “And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”
Interesting to note 2 Pet 2:4-5 is talking about pre-flood and the latter part of Jude 6-7 refers to post-flood. I wonder if the post-flood 'giants' had anything to do with the corruption of Sodom and Gomorrha? Or, is it sexual sin that adjoins these two passages together?
Angels Procreate?
Now, if we look up the word “angels” in these verses, surely we can see that they can be heavenly angels or mankind. The Greek word used is 32 aggelos (ang’-el-os); to bring tidings; a messenger; esp. an “angel”; by impl. a pastor:-angel, messenger. So, I suppose the deduction of those who wish to believe the sons of God were pastors of the godly line of Seth, who sinned by marrying ungodly daughters of Cain, thus producing mighty men of renown, also called “giants”, would have to be questioned, as the practice of doing so never ceased...
Furthermore, my Bible tells me in both the Old and New Testaments that all are condemned because of the fall of Adam and Eve (Isa 64:6/Rom 5:18). We are told not to be unequally yoked in 2 Cor 6:14, yet 1 Cor 7:14 states, “For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.” Did God not create Adam and Eve to be one flesh? Wouldn't the faith of the godly line of Seth have sanctified the lack of faith in their 'ungodly' wives, so that their 'children' (the Nephilim) were 'clean'? Nonsense!!
Now, let's see if we can wrap our minds around the following analysis: The Bible says that Lucifer (heylel ~ star of the morning, son of the dawn) was the king of Babylon (Isaiah 14:4-12). The Bible also says the king of Tyre was the anointed cherub in the Garden of Eden (Ezekiel 28:12-14). These 'angels' existed after the flood. Obviously, not all the fallen angels sinned by procreating with women in the days of Noah. Can angels embody the kings of the earth? The Hebrew word for "angel" is 4397 malak (mal-awk'); ambassador, angel, king, messenger. So, we can reasonably deduct this is true. The kings of Babylon and Tyre were not offspring of the fallen angels; they were fallen angels, cherubim to be exact.
These kings also had children, but they were not known in the Bible as "giants". This is why it would support the idea that, prior to the flood, some of the fallen angels of heaven (not human; the Book of Enoch numbers them at 200) somehow procreated with human women to create 'giants'. Consider the Spirit of God overshadowed Mary, yet He didn't come down in human form to do so. Could the fallen angels have procreated in the same fashion, or does 'leaving their first estate' mean they took on human form? That is a mystery. As Son of God/Son of Man, Jesus was never called a 'giant'. As a flesh and blood human being, no wickedness was found in Him. On the other hand, the fallen angels and their offspring, the giants of the Bible, were wicked adversaries of God and His people.
It's interesting to note that the "fathers" of the 'giants' after the flood are named Arba (meaning city of the four) and Rapha (meaning ghosts of the dead, shades, spirits). They were of great height and stature, yet nowhere are they in the recorded family line of Noah, who is of the godly line of Seth. This may shock you, but the Book of Enoch declares that the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim were not destroyed. They were to be called 'evil spirits' on the earth. Did their spirits simply take on human form to procreate with like kind? The post-flood giants obviously had a line of descendants! As mentioned earlier, some conclude that the great flood was brought about because of the sins of the "sons of God" with “daughters of men”, producing giants that wreaked havoc on the earth. We’ve already identified the pre-flood giants as Nephilim. However, Gen 4:6 states that giants were also on the earth “after that” (after the flood).
GIANTS After the Flood
What is known about the giants after the flood is that they existed in the days of Abraham and Lot. Not much is known prior to this time-frame. Lot was Abraham’s nephew, the son of his brother Haran. Abraham and Lot split up the land in Gen 13:14. After Lot, his wife (who turned back and died) and two daughters were rescued from Sodom, Lot’s daughters each became impregnated by him after they got him drunk. His oldest daughter gave birth to Moab (the Moabites – Gen 19:36-37); his younger daughter gave birth to Ben-Ammi (the Ammonites – Deut 2:20). The Moabites called the giants [7496 Rephaim] “Emims” (Deut 2:11) and the Ammonites called them “Zamzummims [another name for Rephaim]” (Deut 2:20) or “Zuzims” (Gen 14:5). Gen 14:5 states, “And in the fourteenth year came Chedorlaomer, and the kings that were with him, and smote the Rephaim in Ashteroth Karnaim, and the Zuzims in Ham, and the Emims in Shaveh Kiriathaim,”
Truly, it appears the giants of that day were not Nephilim, but Rephaim. What about the sons of Anak? These were the giants encountered by Joshua and Caleb when scouting out Canaan for entry of the Israelites into the promised land. Let’s look at them more closely:
Num 13:22 “And they ascended by the south, and came unto Hebron [previously known as Kiriath Arba]; where Ahiman, Sheshai, and Talmai, the children of Anak, were. (Now Hebron was built seven years before Zoan in Egypt.)” In my study, the Anakims were sons of Anak who’s father was Arba. All that’s said about Arba is that he was “a great man among the Anakims” (Josh 14:15). Hebron was founded in 1720 BCE. Num 13:33 goes on to state, “And there we saw the giants [nephil], the sons of Anak [6061 - 'neck' Canaanite - this does not mean Anak was a descendant of Canaan, just that he lived in Canaan], which come of the giants [nephil]: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.” While this is recorded as "an evil report" (Num 13:32) the Hebrew word for "evil" is actually a combination of 1681 dibbah, rooted in 1680 dabab and 1679 dobe, indicating it was a sluggish, slanderous, evil report.
It is not known as to whether the Anakims were actually Nephilim or were a "next generation" of them, known as Rephaim. It’s noteworthy that nephil is no longer used after this account. Deut 2:11 answers: “Which also were accounted giants [Rephaim], as the Anakims; but the Moabites called them Emims.” I believe God wiped out the entire earth’s population with the flood and certainly would not permit angels inter-breeding with mankind again. Also, we can’t assume that Noah, because he was of the line of Seth, carried on the 'serpent's seed'. In the last paragraph we saw the giants were inhabiting Canaan. “Cain” and “Canaan” are not related. Canaanites were descendents of Canaan, son of Ham, the son of Noah. With all these things considered, I am inclined to entertain the idea that the Nephilim were pre-flood and the Anakims/Rephaim were post-flood giants.
The Anakims in Hebron were defeated by Joshua in Josh 11:21-22, yet some of them remained in Gaza, Gath and Ashdod, along the coast of the Mediterranean Sea. Likewise, Caleb drove out Ahiman, Sheshai and Talmai, sons of Anak, from Hebron in Josh 15:14. Yet another confirmation that the Anakims were not Nephilim, but Rephaim is the fact that there was a notable Rephaim living in Gath that had four sons. The most famous of his sons was, of course, Goliath! The Bible says Goliath was just over nine feet tall (or 12', if using Jewish cubit measurements). His brothers were named Ishbibinob, Sath and Lahmi. David killed not only Goliath (1 Sam 17:50), but Ishbibinob and Sath (1 Chr 20:8). In verse 5, Elhanan the son of Jair killed Lahmi. This chapter goes on to describe yet another giant that had six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot (1 Chr 20:6-7; 2 Sam 21:20). David’s brother killed him.
Other areas of residence were Bashan (northeast of Galilee) and the lands surrounding the Valley of Hinnom (east side of Jerusalem). The kingdom of Og (Bashan) was known as the “land of the giants [Rephaim]” (Deut 3:13), while the land around the Valley of Hinnom was known as the “valley of the giants [Rephaim]” (Josh 15:8; 18:16). Og is said to be one of the remnants of these giants whose casket measured 13.5 feet long by 6 feet wide (or 18' x 8' if using Jewish cubit measurements). Moses and the Israelites cast the remnant of these giants out of Bashan in Num 32:33; Deut 3:10-11 and Josh 12:6.
Now, some of you may have heard that Og was an Amorite king (Josh 9:10); therefore, he must have been a descendant of Canaan, Ham's son. Og, just like Anak, was not a descendant of Canaan, but of the Rephaim (Josh. 12:4; 13:12). And, while it's interesting to note that Benjamin, son of Jacob, named his own son Rapha, remember the Rephaim were already around in the days of Abraham and Lot, long before Benjamin was born. All of the descendants of Benjamin were called 'Benjamites'.
There is obviously a big difference in the size of the Rephaim to the alleged size of the Nephilim. According to Enoch 7:2 (included in the Bible canon 200 years BC and 300 years AD ~ and still in Ethiopian Bibles today), they were “3,000 ells”. An ell is equivalent to 45” x 3,000 = 135,000” or 11,250’, roughly 2.13 miles tall. Another verse states they were 300 cubits tall or 450 feet (600' if using Jewish cubit measurements).This seems more reasonable, as it's a little over a quarter mile tall. Some of the ancient Egyptian art replicates the possibility, as well as some of the (possibly fictitious) skeletal photos on the internet.
Mysteries
I hope you’ve at least found this study of giants (pre- and post-flood) interesting and thought-provoking. Nothing is said in the Bible about how the Anakims/Rephaim first came about. Part of the mystery might be in the definition of “Rapha” (the root of Rephaim) noted above. It means “dead, shades, ghosts, departed spirits, spirits of the dead” (7496: Job 26:5; Isa 14:9; 26:14, 19). This would certainly align with what is said in the Book of Enoch about the departed spirits of the Nephilim in my hub The Origin of the Nephilim.
Because the Nephilim and Anakims existed in the days of Noah, and the Rephaim in the days of Lot, I now understand why there are those who wonder if there will be giants on the earth once again in the last days. If Anakims/Rephaim were allowed to take on human form and procreate back then, we have to ask, "Were they totally wiped out?" Joshua 11:21 tells us, "some of them remained!" Is this still a 'race' among us of which we are unaware?
Now THIS is really freaky (the only word I can think of to describe how this makes me feel...)
- Did you know one of the names of 'Allah' is Al-Kfahid, The Abaser, he who diminishes or decreases: "We have put chains around their necks chin high, and forced them to lift up their heads."
- Did you know that the definition of Anakim (Hebrew) is: Anaqiy, descendants of the nephil “Anak” or “Anaq”, name literally meaning “choked, collared, strangle, encompassed by a chain, necklace.”
Jesus prophesied that in the last days, it will be as it was in the "days of Noah" (Mat 24:37) and the "days of Lot" (Luke 17:28). We certainly have no Biblical confirmation of what this means, exactly. I believe these passages are referring to the wickedness of mankind and the wrath of God to come (i.e. Noah: the great flood; Lot: the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah). The giants certainly had a lot to do with the destruction of the earth then, and we have to wonder about now and the future...
No doubt the Bible says of the end times that the Dragon (aka Satan) arises out of the "sea" of peoples, nations, tribes and tongues (seven nations, ten kings - Rev 13:1); the Antichrist rises up out of the "abyss" (Rev 11:7), which appears be Abaddon/Apollyon (the angel of destruction) in the flesh; and the False Prophet arises "out of the earth" (Rev 13:11). For more on the three beasts of Revelation I invite you to read my hub Islam and Revelation (yes, more revelation there!).
No matter how rational we are, we have to ask, "Who was the father of Arba, the father of Anak?" It’s a mystery as to how the sons of Anak (Anakims) could be “of the nephil” when those giants were destroyed in the flood. It’s also a mystery as to why giants are not called Nephilim after the flood. Could the Nephilim be the offspring of fallen angels and the daughters of men? Could the Anakims be the fathers of the Rephaim, who were merely a race of “titan”-type men that were powerful and intimidating? Or, is the Book of Enoch correct ~ that the Anakims/Rephaim are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim in the flesh? Are there Rephaim still on the earth today? Or, for those of you that believe all “giants” or “mighty men of renown” are the offspring of unequally yoked couples, this would seem a possible answer…except, it contradicts 1 Cor 7:14 and vast inductive study results.
It may be hard to believe in the supernatural, but if you believe Jesus rose from the dead (raised Himself from the dead – John 2:19) and will likewise raise us from the dead to never die again ~ to live with Him in the New Heaven and New Earth…is that not supernatural? Be blessed.
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I so appreciate your encouragement, thefount! This study was so fascinating, it kept me going to the wee hours of the night to finish it! God's Word holds so much fascinating information ~ clues to the heavenly realm and its affect on the earthly realm. I do pray it increases the faith of we who are in the Lord, and those seeking. Glory to God in the highest! God bless you!
This was even clearer than the other nephilim hub that you wrote and that was amazing. It sure seems that somehow circumstances of these fellows differs from anything we could list as normal occurances today. It does not seem to me to be possible from a purely scientific viewpoint for a person to be 2.13 miles tall. It would seem that to be that tall one must not really need much oxygen because the air would have to be very thin up there. Also the weather varies dramatically. Cloud cover not allowing any to see their feet or stirring up a thunderstorm that would hit their heads. I have to say that any of this is so unfamiliar to us that maybe any of this logic should not be used. Children to demons, they would have to have different abilities, wouldn't they? Man, this stuff makes my head spin. Whee!! I..whee...love...whee...you! Whee!
Hi brother Bob, Well ~ Enoch addressed the height of Nephilim, but not that of Rephaim (for he wasn't around after the flood, obviously). Og (a Rephaim) was over twice my height and as wide as I am tall (at least). We don't really know what the atmosphere was like prior to the flood (at least I haven't researched it). Those are some interesting thoughts.
The book of Enoch states that God said the spirits of the Nephilim that died in the flood would be demons/evil spirits on the earth (obviously disembodied). I think of Legion and how incredibly strong that man was (but there were possibly thousands of demons possessing him, as they then were sent into the herd of 2,000 pigs). Those demons certainly didn't want Jesus sending them to Tartaroo (the deepest abyss of Hades) where their fathers were (Luke 8:31; 2 Pet 2:4)!
I thank you for reading and being such a faithful friend and brother in the Lord! God bless you!
Excellent Hub! You've definitely shed some light on many questions that have surfaced recently regarding Nephilim. The fascination with the Anunnaki seems to be quite controversial as some believe them to be Sumerian gods, some believe them to be Demons, The Fallen, and Babylonian deities. Some say they are a "Hybrid Race" that comes from the planet Nibiru???? Hmmm....A lot to contemplate. I'm just curious if these Giants of Rephaim spoken of in the Old Testament didn't suffer from Acromegaly disease?
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Much food for thought, quite fascinating indeed! Thanks for the read! Peace.
Hi Judahs Daughter as always...thought provoking and a blessing to read and study...
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peacenhim, imagine these giants on the earth and the nations that followed after other gods ~ some thought these were "gods". All throughout ancient history we see people trying to figure out who, what, where, when, why and how these giants came about...all I can do is only believe what the Bible says about them (to stay of sound mind). Blessings to you!
Hi brother Quill ~ I so appreciate you coming by for a read. This stuff is surely interesting, if nothing else. Blessings to you!!
This is a most fasinating hub! I so love the studies you do! I also wonder how things will be/are to come as in the days of Noah. Great hub sis! Keep up the good works in providing us with more wisdom and insight of what was and what is to come. I love it!!! Blessings and love to you!!!
Thank you, sis! It will be "as it was in the days of Noah" in that the world will be a very wicked place, such as mankind has never seen before, according to Jesus. For the sake of the elect (the saved), those days will be cut short, praise God!! Come, Lord Jesus!! We anticipate reunion with our Holy God!
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Thank you, thevoice! I found it very interesting as well. It took me a full day of Bible study, then I found confirming articles by those who completed this study before I did! I like to study the Bible first; then I can discern if what is published out there is consistent or in error. I'm glad you came by to read and that you liked the study. God bless you!
This is a very thought provoking hub.
Thought number 1: Nephil could be a bully who was judged, fallen, cast, a fugitive, etc. . . It isn't quite set in concrete.
Thought number 2: The fallen angels are reserved in chains. If they were chained and imprisoned they could not have sex with the daughters of men.
Thought number 3: Who exactly were the sons of God who shouted for joy at creation? This one could explain the other two if known for certain.
Thought number 4: To my knowledge, Goliath was never described as a giant in the Bible, (OT). He was called a champion of the Philistines.
It seems I have even more questions than answers.
You have done a great job in presenting this to your readers. Keep writing for the Lord and putting it out there.
So who was the father of Arba, the father of Anak? It’s a mystery as to how the sons of Anak could be “of the nephil” when those giants were destroyed in the flood. It’s also a mystery as to why giants are not called Nephilim after the flood. Could the Nephilim be the offspring of fallen angels and the daughters of men? Could the Rephaim merely be a race of “titan”-type men that were powerful and intimidating? Did the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim embody the Rephaim? Are giants still on the earth today? Or, for those of you that believe all “giants” or “mighty men of renown” are the offspring of unequally yoked couples, this would seem a possible answer…except, it contradicts 1 Cor 7:14 and vast inductive study results.
It may be hard to believe in the supernatural, but if you believe Jesus rose from the dead (raised Himself from the dead – John 2:19) and will likewise raise us from the dead to never die again ~ to live with Him in the New Heaven and New Earth…is that not supernatural? Be blessed.
I like how you ended this Hub, it gave me something to think about. I wonder too, how could Anak be of the nephil if they were destroy in the flood, during the tenth generation of Noah. I believe in the supernatural and I believe Jesus rose from the dead and I believe Jesus is coming back again. Great and outstanding Hub !!!
SirDent, I'm so glad you came by! Yes, I believe the sons of God that shouted for joy when the earth was created were angels. I also believe the sons of God who sinned against Him by procreating with human women were incarcerated in Tartaroo. The rich man, however (and unbelieving man) go to Hades (the deepest abyss of which is Tartaroo). The rich man was NOT in chains, like the fallen angels who sinned.
Goliath is one of the four sons of the "giant who lived in Gath" (2 Sam 21:16-22/1 Chr 20:4-8).
IF we were to consider Enoch 15:8 “And now, the giants, who are proclaimed from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called”, is it possible those spirits embodied the post-flood Rephaim? This would explain how they could be “of the Nephilim”. Demons certainly embodied people all throughout the New Testament. It is said that Lucifer will embody THE Antichrist to come. There's no information anywhere that I can find as to who the father of Arba, the father of Anak was. The Anakims were obviously "Rephaim", the Hebrew word "Rapha" defined as “dead, shades, ghosts, departed spirits, spirits of the dead”.
We certainly can't find all the answers in the Bible. Some things will remain mysteries, just as Daniel and John were told to "seal up" certain things. Thank you for your kind encouragement, and Lord willing, I will keep writing for Him!! God bless you!
Sister Royal Diadem, thank you for coming by to read! Bless your heart. I think I've answered your inquiry to the best of the information available to SirDent above. Be blessed in His Name!! Love you!!
Hi JD,
I don't know if I'm going to repeat what oyjers have said as there aree a number of comments above.
I do not believe for a minute that human/angel hybrids are possible.
1) Angels are spirit beings and therefore do not have genetic material.
2) Jesus said that after the resurection, men will be like the angels in that they will not marry. I interpret this as not proccreating - angels do not have the necessary equipment.
3) Have a look at a hubs by LEWJ and others of his ilk. They write about succubus and incubus, the practice of having sex with angels and demons. I thought this idea was complete hysteria until I read that these guys are serious. But even those that partake in these acts profess that angel/human hybrids are impossible.
4) The entire genome of mankind has been mapped now, and at no time have I ever seen a breaking news story of strange genetic material that doesn't belong or any kind of homo-sapien sub-species.
The angels in Tartaroo may well be there are punishment for incubus and succubus activities, and this still goes on today. But this in itself is no evidence for human/angel offspring.
The father of Anak and Arba will have been Noah ultimately. The entire geneaologies are not given. With people multiplying after the flood it would be wise to assume that the multiplying familly tress could not all have been documented.
Giants still occur today. It is a genetic condition.
Hi Disappearinghead, you present some rational points and I appreciate your comment. We do know that the Spirit of God somehow conceived Jesus Christ (that is a mystery as to how); we do know the angels that sinned with the daughters of men "left their first estate" (whatever that means) - it could mean they left their heavenly abode to commit this deed, and it could mean they took on another form (i.e. human males, which angels did all throughout the Bible). The key is the fact this is a mystery we so wish to solve in order to better understand what the Bible says ~ even the book of Enoch (which seems to align perfectly).
While there are "giants" today, I have yet to see one the size of the king of Og (18' tall by 6' wide) ~ have you? A friend of mine gave a rational answer in that she thinks his coffin was that large so he could be buried with some of his things. Interesting thought.
I'm glad I've not experienced, nor wish to invoke/experience a incubus. That's just freaky!! Again, I appreciate your comment. God bless you :-)
Hi JD,
I'm quite happy with the Holy Spirit conceiving Jesus as God is a creator. Jesus being conceived is a very small thing to do compared to creation.
On another hub on giants, listed are a number of famous giants who have been born in the last 100 years or so, albeit, 8ft tall is typical. OK 1Sam 17:4 in the NIV says Goliath was 9ft tall, but this is not beyond the means of human gigantism.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Giants-of-the-Bible
This is an interesting subject and it arouses a lot of passionate argument, and I don't suppose that much of it will be resolved. When faced with such controversies, I'm always wondering what the traditional Jewish interpretation is, as I do not know Hebrew, and the Jewish community are best placed to understand the nuances, contexts and hidden meanings of the language.
"1) Angels are spirit beings and therefore do not have genetic material."
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As already cited, God is a spirit but through the spirit he incarnated his son Jesus. How did the angels in the OT appear in fleshly bodies that were capable of eating? Your assumption is based on the silent...yes I know that is a two way street. However, who's to say that they can't manipulate genetic material like man can do? Man can't create but he can reduplicate with the DNA that's already there...
Hi PlanosLie! Good to see you! You might be REALLY fascinated by my hub called, "Is Everyone Possessed?"
http://hubpages.com/_ui1xcnn62gpk/hub/Is-Everyone-
This goes into what the Bible says about the spiritual realm and its ties to the physical realm. I'd love to see you there!
"4) The entire genome of mankind has been mapped now, and at no time have I ever seen a breaking news story of strange genetic material that doesn't belong or any kind of homo-sapien sub-species."
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The conclusion here is wrong because:
1. Research the "star child" skull. With DNA analysis, the mother is said to be human and the father is "unknown".
2. There have also been DNA analysis on "bigfoot" hair samples and bloody footprints (in Canada) that have shown this "being" to be one chromosome short of human, but yet more than "animal", therefore "parahuman". This was a documentary shown on the History Channel.
3. The governments don't always share with us on what they find. For one the US government doesn't confirm the reality of UFO's but yet they are no doubt real. They're not ready yet to disclose the truth of them yet.
4. Even "Randcam" a government "thinktank" has had plans for "parahumans", in which many military personal have confirmed their reality of these in the Dulce base, Fort Lewis, as well as other bases. Do the research :-)
I will soon JD but I'm not done with DH yet. I like your writings though...
"I'm always wondering what the traditional Jewish interpretation is, as I do not know Hebrew, and the Jewish community are best placed to understand the nuances, contexts and hidden meanings of the language."
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I'm glad that you'd like to know that. The SOG being angels, is the oldest view in antiquity, from both the Rabbi's POV as well as the ECF's. It was Julius Africanus (4th century) that is attributed to the SOS theory and Augustine is the one that popularized it. The Sons of Seth theory fails on so many points, and disregards both the Hebrew and the Greek. To know the truth of this matter, is to understand the end time delusion. Go well!
JD, may I proceed with a shameless promotion? Sorry :-)
I read your hub ~ I learned a few things! Quite fascinating!! We share the same passion of looking into root words and finding mysteries we otherwise wouldn't have known from the surface, like 'panning for gold' (God)! I have a series called "Panning for God" which reveal 30 mysteries thus far that I have discovered, not traditionally taught out there in the churches (some actually DO)!! It's a pleasure to have you here on HubPages! I look forward to sharing our discoveries together!
peacenhim, imagine these giants on the earth and the nations that followed after other gods ~ some thought these were "gods". All throughout ancient history we see people trying to figure out who, what, where, when, why and how these giants came about...all I can do is only believe what the Bible says about them (to stay of sound mind). Blessings to you!
Jesus insinuated that angels do not have the ability to have sex and procreate, The sons of God then, are same as today's sons of God. It was a curse. Lu 20:35 "But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage;
36 "nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection
Sound doc, this is why it's important to read the same statement by Jesus in the other gospels as well. Look at Mat 22:30 "For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven." The angels IN HEAVEN. The fallen angels were cast out of heaven to the earth. This is a grave sin some of them committed against mankind and for this, they were cast into the deepest abyss of Sheol/Hades (Tartaroo) and are incarcerated in chains until the day of their judgment to the Lake of Fire (geenna).
From a sober, scientific point of view, any person
over seven feet tall is in the giant class. According
to the structural plans of the human
race, individuals can tower that high and still
be sound, strong and healthy, but much above
that elevation their height is only weakness and
a burden. However, men have sprouted to beyond
nine feet and probably ten. Science would
not be surprised at a genuine 12-foot skeleton;
some scientists, to be on the safe side, would admit
the possibility of an extreme phenomenon of
13 feet but it would be hard to find one who
would consider 15 feet as within the realms of
reason.
Yes, giants have existed.
Another amazing and awesome hub!! Someone once told me point blank (obviously he wasn't a Christian) that Christianity and the Bible was "boring". Well, he just doesn't know what he is missing. There is nothing boring about God's Word, and I marvel each and every day at the wonderful nuggets of gold we find there.
God bless you, and please keep up the really awesome work that you are doing.
Hi Jachda!! I thank you soooo much for your encouragement. Truly, finding out some of these fascinating things is like panning for gold!! It's so neat you used the phrase 'wonderful nuggets of gold', as I did publish three hubs that are called "Nuggets of Discovery", which summarize what 'nuggets' I've found thus far, such as this and provides my hub links to each one. If you'd like to check them out, here's the first link (the other two 'Nuggets of Discovery' links are within that hub):
http://hubpages.com/_ui1xcnn62gpk/hub/Nuggets-of-D
It's always a joy, Jachda! Thank you again, and God bless you!!
Hi JD some useful information here and a really enjoyable read.
Are you familiar with the Formonian legends of Ireland ? Accounts of these giant men are recorded in Strabo,s (BCE64 - AD24) early circumnavigation of the British Isles. There have been many archaeological finds recorded on Ireland and giants graves abound everywhere.In the area in which I am from on the NE Coast of Co.Antrim there was found in 1971 a mass burial on a northerly beach, the skeletal remains of 24 men all over six feet. Centrally placed in the grave was a huge man of over eight feet long! The grave was dated at 4000 BCE.
Keep up the good work.
Regards Richard.
Thank you, Richard. I wasn't familiar with the legends of Ireland. It may make a great hub! We rarely see anyone even eight feet tall these days. I often wonder if even those might have been 'baby' or 'child' giant skeletons? Even the skeletons shown on internet photos are doubted by viewers ~ of course they would be, because it is just so unfathomable. Be blessed!
As Lucifer fell before Adam and Eve, I find reason to believe that the other fallen angels, began Satan's plan of growing his army against God by corrupting Adam and Eve into sin, thus he was then able to let his angels (the fallen angels, or demons) begin to sleep, fornicate, have sex with the humans. There we find Cain and Abel, both being TWIN sons of Eve, but only Abel's father being Adam. Cain's father was a fallen angel which explained his joy in killing his own brother, for by their works we can tell the blood line or seed of Satan.Also the story of Lilith, the woman created before Eve is an interesting one. GREAT HUB!
Hi ii3rittles, Thank you for the compliment! Gen 4:1-2 tell us of the birth of Cain and Abel. What we do know is Cain was the first-born, followed by Abel. The Bible states Adam and Eve were their parents. We don’t have any biblical record of sexual interaction of the fallen angels with Adam or Eve, so it is considered speculation.
We see a similarity between Cain and Able with Ishmael and Isaac. Ishmael, Abraham’s first-born, is the father of the Arabs that persecute the seed of Isaac, the Jews, to this day (Gal 4:29). While they both had the same father, they had different mothers. Then, look at Esau and Jacob ~ Jacob, the younger of the twins, received the favor, while Esau was ‘hated’ by God (Rom 9:13). The first-born sons aren't looking too good in these examples.
Obviously, both good and evil have manifested in human beings since the fall. The most ‘out-on-a-limb’ hub I’ve probably written is called “Is Everyone Possessed?” (link at the base of this hub), as it goes into how the spiritual realm affects/connects with the physical. The Bible surely is a fascinating book! Thanks for stopping by and God bless you.
Hi JD. You have mentioned the book Enoc.In the Revelation of Enoc, chapter 11 verse 55 it states that Satan had sexual intercourse with Eve, which could explain the difference between Cain and Abel. Ismael was different seed than Isaac, because from his mother side he was a descendant of Nimrod ( bad seed )
Esau was hated by God because of his rebellion and because he chose wifes from nations that God forbid.The nature of his descendants speaks for itself.
Hi Ben Janse van Rensburg, I know there are many publications out there of 'Enoch' and while there are some wild things in them, I can only give heed to what is confirmed in the Bible. If the fallen angels having sex with women produced giants of great stature (Nephilim), Cain would have had to be a giant, if this were true (in my oppinion/rationalle). Besides, the Bible says Adam and Eve produced Cain (Gen 4:1).
Ishamel was 'different' than Isaac, in that the Bible tells us he was born of Abraham and Hagar, which was not God's direction. God told Abraham Sarah would have the promised son and he disobeyed. For this reason, Ishmael is called the son 'born according to the flesh' and Issac the son 'born according to the Spirit'. Gal 4:29 states, "But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also."
Esau was hated because he sold his birthright for a mere meal and yes, because he chose wives from the Hittites, giving birth to the Edomites. (Gen 26:34-35). This is biblical. Still today, the descendants of Ishmael (Islam) persecute the descendants of Jacob (Israel) and they remain under His judgment.
Thanks for sharing. God bless.
Hi, J.D.:
Excellent Hub!
By the way, what are ghosts? Do you think they are the same as demons? How do they differ, if at all?
Hi Lone Ranger! This question is a bit easier to answer (lol): Considering demons were the departed spirits of the once living, long dead Nephilim, they are ghosts. Ghosts that are seen and active today are demons (morphing into various forms of dead 'loved ones' or yet possessing people), for it is appointed unto MAN (not demi-angels) to die once and after this comes judgment (Heb 9:27). Their fathers (fallen angels) are already judged and incarcerated in Tartaroo until the final judgment to the Lake of Fire. It's no wonder then, that their children don't want to go there just yet...
Thank you for reading and I'm glad you enjoyed the hub!! God bless!!
Good Morning, Judah's Daughter! I would like to challenge you to write an article on "giants" of our day! We have giants, but they are not necessary tall in height. You have a wonderful background in the topic that can now be applied to current day experiences and how to overcome the giant. God's Blessings!
Looking for the sign of Jonah... the Miraculous Change in people...
Oh, sister, YOU have the anointing! Praise God! THAT is a challenge, and I have pondered even a few minutes with the LORD and thus far, these are my thoughts:
It was Joshua and Caleb that had the courage to follow the LORD's instructions, to overtake those giants in the land of Canaan. Canaan is modern-day Israel, Palestinian territories, Lebanon, and the western parts of Jordan and Syria. It was the ones who gave into fear that did not enter that promised land. Even David, little David, slayed Goliath "in the Name of the LORD of Hosts!" He sat on that throne of Israel, the throne of the LORD because of it. We who overcome, will reign with Christ who sits on the Throne, amen!
Now, Jonah! Here, we see a man who resented Nineveh, the modern city of Mosul, Iraq. These 'giants' were tyrants and bullies, fearsome. He certainly resented their horrible deeds done to his people. He, most likely, was afraid of them, too. He had nothing to fear! When God took him to Nineveh in the belly of the whale, he finally obeyed and they repented. THAT's the POWER of God! THAT's loving your enemies! Imagine, if that happened TODAY!!
Bottom line is, if the latter-day 'giants' ARE demons in the flesh, demons are SUBJECT to us, the children of God, in the Name of the LORD of Hosts (Luke 10:17)! We have not been given a spirit of fear, but of love, POWER and self-control/good judgment/sound mind (2 Tim 1:7).
There may be pure offspring of the Rephaim existing in the world today, and they CANNOT repent, but they are SUBJECT to us. There are others that are possessed, and THEY can be delivered and filled with the Holy Spirit, just as we are. God knows who are Abraham's offspring and He knows who are the offspring of Satan. We just press on with the gospel, without fear, in perfect love. The VICTORY is ours, the BATTLE is the LORD's, so we will LIFT UP THE BANNER OF PRAISE!
Hallelujah!! God bless you, sister sarmack, and I will continue to ponder whether the LORD would have me write on the subject of 'last-day giants'...
Wonderful! Enjoyed it as always! God is Good to us, isn't He!
Ohhhh yes!! Absolutely, sister sarmack. I'm thinking of Israel now, how they don't bow to BULLIES, but BEL WILL BOW!!! Praise GOD!!!
A very interesting and thought-provoking Hub, Carrie, thank you.
I think the Book of Genesis said that all manner of flesh died in the Flood of Noah, but perhaps this did not include the Nephilim, because they existed before the flood and after.
Perhaps some of the Nephilim were able to survive the flood because of their supernatural characteristics (part human and part angel)...how else could there have been Nephilim before and after the flood? How would their genes have been passed on to future generations? The only other option is that Ham's wife was impregnated by a Nephilim after the flood.
I would also like to clarify for your readers that the Bible said that the angels in Heaven are not given to marriage, but it is only an assumption and mere speculation that they cannot procreate here on earth.
As Americans have proven time and again, especially these past 40 years, marriage is not necessary for procreative activities to occur.
Best wishes and be well - C.J. Sledgehammer
P.S. You put a lot of good research and thought into this Hub. Voted up and away. :0)
Thanks for the vote up, CJ Sledgehammer! The Bible states only eight persons were saved from the flood - That would be Noah and his three sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth and their wives. The sons of Ham are listed as Chush, Mizraim, Put and Canaan. We simply don't see 'Arba' as a descendant of any one of Noah's family.
We can assume the fallen angels took on human form to procreate with the daughters of men and were judged to Tartaroo because of it. The spirits of their children (the giants - Nephilim) are called 'Rapha' (ghosts of the dead), whereby we get the giants after the flood known as 'Rephaim'. Could it be, just as their fathers took on human form, without being born of a male and female, the Nephilim spirits did the same thing (both male and female)? These may not have procreated with human beings, which God clearly condemned their fathers for. This would explain how the Rephaim were 'of the Nephilim', but not called 'Nephilim' throughout the post-flood scriptures.
My extended thoughts on the matter of procreation is this: is this why God created mankind - to procreate - since heavenly beings cannot? We are made both flesh and spirit and one day we will shed this mortal, corruptible flesh and exist "as the angels in heaven". God is ever expanding His eternal kingdom this way.
That then makes me wonder if Satan is not expanding his kingdom in the same way...Isa 5:14 tells us, "Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it."
This whole account of giants certainly is cause for provoking thought ~~~ I very much appreciate your insightful comment, contribution and support. Blessings to you, CJ!!
Thank you, Carrie.
Genesis 6:4 "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days - and also afterward - when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown."
I tend to think the fallen angels had the ability to shape-shift and their children may also have had that ability. Who knows? Perhaps this is how they survived the flood or the flood only killed those beings that had the "breath of life" in them.
Genesis 6:17 "I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish."
Carrie, what if the Nephilim do not have the "breath of life" in them? What if their "manifestation" in this world was through the powers of darkness. Isn't the "breath of life" something that God and God alone can give? Do you think God formed the Nephilim in their mother's wombs and breathed into them life? Or, could something else have caused it?
It just seems that for everything the Lord has done, the Adversaries (Satans) have a counterfeit.
So, if the physical bodies of the Nephilim died in the flood (which seems to contradict Genesis 6:4), the only other possibility for them to have offspring after the flood, is if they are somehow able to possess the body of a mortal and then mate with humans, thus spreading their evil DNA to future generations.
This is a fascinating study, Carrie, and I do not claim to have any concrete answers, but it is rather exciting to research these possibilities and speculate. This is an amazing world that the Lord has made and I am convinced that there are many more mysteries than answers.
God's blessings to you and yours - C.J. Sledgehammer
This subject does not cease to fascinate me, CJ Sledgehammer.
Spirit = now, that may be part of the key. Spirit (ruach/pneuma) is translated as ‘breath, wind, spirit’. Ghost (Greek: phantasma), however, is defined as an apparition. The ghost of a spirit-being is an apparition, while the ‘giving up of the ghost’, as in Jer 15:9 (Hebrew nephesh) of a human being pertains to their soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion.
God is Spirit; His angels are also spirits. Both can ‘morphe’ into human form. God appeared to Abraham in human form, but not as an apparition, and certainly not invisible. However, He was immortal and could not be killed. Likewise, the two angels with Him appeared in immortal, human form (Ref Gen 18-19:1). Jesus existed in the ‘form’ of God, which is the Greek word ‘morphe’ (Phil 2:6), yet He was born of a human woman, so He also existed in the ‘form’ (morphe) of a servant in the likeness (homoióma) of man, a mortal that could shed blood – die.
The fallen angels were spirit that may have then taken on human form (morphe) that could obviously procreate. That’s bizarre. Those angels are not said to have died in the flood, but rather they were sentenced to the deepest abyss of Hades (Tartaroo) – 2 Pet 2:4. It was the human mothers and their demi-human offspring (the Nephilim) that were killed in the flood (2 Pet 2:5), as well as all those influenced by their wickedness. According to the book of Enoch, the spirits of the Nephilim (the offspring) would survive and be called ‘evil spirits on the earth’ or what we call ‘demons’.
The mystery here is HOW did those spirits of the Nephilim (rapha) embody human flesh to procreate flesh that could yet be killed (i.e. Goliath)? And, if their bodies died pre-flood, but their spirits did not, did the spirit of Goliath, as well as all the other giants (Rephaim) continue to dwell on earth after their bodies were killed? This is the sensational question. Evil spirits (demons) certainly possess people (Mark 5:9), and that would be the logical conclusion, I think. This is why we are to ‘test the spirits to see whether they are from God’ (1 John 4:1) ~ this is talking about the breath that comes from human beings “because many false prophets have gone out into the world.…” 1 John 4:2-3 go on to state, “By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.” Humans can either have the Spirit of God in them or the spirit of antichrist (of the Devil)…depending on whom they serve.
This brings me to a thought I’ve wanted to post and should…those who believe in reincarnation ~ that they existed before this life ~ hmmmm. A current-day manifestation of a Rephaim perhaps? Incredible.
Thank you for the blessings and I ask God to breathe His blessings upon and in you as well. We are God's temple. We are God's house!! HalleluYah!
Hi, Carrie:
You know, when I read Genesis 6:4 "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days - and also afterward - [when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them]. They were the heroes of old, men of renown", I come away thinking that it is possible that the fallen angels did indeed, come unto the daughters of men, once again, as daughters were produced on the earth by the sons of Noah.
Yes, the fallen angels were at some point thrown into Tartarus, but do we know exactly when that was? Were they the same ones that mated with women prior to the flood? What if another group of fallen angels mated with women after the flood? I mean, do we know for sure?
Again, I cannot be sure of anything at this point, but I am only speculating and having fun with it. :0)
One of the problems I have with the Nephilim being in the form of evil spirits after the flood, is that I have a hard time buying into the theory that Ghost or Ghoul DNA can be transfered through a host to a target. It could happen, but if I were a betting man I would wager that the fallen angels couldn't keep their rockets in their pockets before getting sent to spirit prison and this was the cause of the next generation of post-flood Nephilim.
I would love to hear your opinion on this and I pray that you have had a victorious day in the Lord.
God's blessings to a fine lady - C.J. Sledgehammer
Hi CJ ~ those are some interesting thoughts. My understanding is, it was not so much the fallen angels that were causing havoc on the earth, but their offspring, the Nephilim. Therefore, I believe the fathers were judged to Tartarus (Tartaroo) and I don't think other angels would have committed the same sin for the same punishment, but I suppose it's possible.
Also, the first mention of the giants after the flood are said to be 'of the Nephilim', rather than called 'Nephilim' ~ they were then called 'Rephaim', which aligns with 'Rapha', the departed spirits of the dead Nephilim.
I don't think ghost DNA can be transferred either, but rather the bodies in which they dwell transfer the human DNA, while the spirits are passed from one generation to another...one dies, another is possessed and so forth. What are your thoughts?
A victorious and blessed day to you as well, my friend!
Good morning, Carrie:
I love the way you think. It is fun presenting you with questions and challenges, because your analytical and inquisitive mind grabs ahold of them and won't let go until you've made sense ot them. It's like poetry in motion. :0)
I think, from where I'm sitting right now, that it is improbable that Nephilim (Ghost) DNA could create more Nephilim or even the Rephaim (which essentially are the grand children of the fallen angels). The Rephaim are a little different than the Nephilim in that they are made from women and Nephilim, whereas the Nephilim are a bi-product of women and fallen angels. Similar, but not the same.
I think the fallen angels impregnated the daughters of man after the flood, before their sentences were imposed. I just don't see how the ghosts of Nephilim could spread their DNA through a human host to make more Nephilim, because we know the Nephilim were on earth before and after the flood. To say that they only existed in spirit form after the flood is mere speculation.
The other problem I have with the Nephilim in their evil spirit form spreading their DNA by using a human host, is that I don't think we see this phenomena at work today. I am sure people are still possessed to this day, but are we to conclude that possessed (women) will give birth to giants?
We also know that evil spirits can possess animals as seen by "Legion" and the herd of swine. So, if the Nephilim could spread their (Ghost) DNA through a human host (creating giants), then why wouldn't they be able to spread their DNA through animals, creating abominations within the animal kingdom? I just don't think we see that anywhere in nature.
Better run for now, but would love to talk to you more about this.
God's blessings to a fine lady - C.J. Sledgehammer
Hey there, CJ! Well, I don't see the Rephaim as grandchildren of the fallen angels, but rather the spirits of the Nephilim themselves (children of the fallen angels and women). This is why they are said to be 'of the Nephilim', but called Rephaim (because they are in a different form).
I'm not sure if Rephaim mated with human women to procreate, or how they took on human 'hosts' to mate with their own kind, producing more Rephaim. They did have human DNA as Nephilim...(another element to think about). The size of the pre-flood Nephilim compared to the post-flood Rephaim is very different (smaller post-flood), so I wonder now if they look like you and me ~ thus, why we are told to 'test the spirits'.
All I know is 'Arba' is not in any genetic line of Noah and his sons. Not to say they couldn't have mated with the daughters of the generations that led up to the time of Abraham and Lot (where they first show up post-flood). A LOT of bad stuff was taking place there in Sodom and Gomorrah...and so it is prophesied to be 'as it was in the days of Lot' in these last days...Freaky.
It's been a fascinating discussion, CJ!! Blessings always!!
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Blessings JD! Wonderful and informative hub, very eye-opening and depending on the openness of one's heart it has the potential to greatly increase one's faith in God's Word. Thanks Again!