IRON and CLAY: HARLOT OF BABYLON
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ROME – the Iron Kingdom
Rome is known as the iron kingdom (the fourth) in Daniel’s vision of all the kingdoms that would exist from the time of Babylon (Dan 2). In the final kingdom the ‘iron’ will mix with the ‘clay’ in a ten-toed one-world empire. I’ve never tried to interpret what exactly that kingdom consists of, but after being led to write on this particular subject, my spirit is flooded with wonderment.
In the Word, believers are called ‘clay’, in that our LORD Jesus is our Potter. Iron, we know, represents the Roman Empire (government) in Daniel’s interpretation of the king of Babylon’s prophetic dream.
The Bible tells us Jesus was tried under the authority of Tiberius Caesar (emperor of Rome) and Pontius Pilate (governor of Rome). He was sentenced to death by Roman crucifixion. Why? The Jewish leaders were in bed with Rome. Let’s look at John 19:12 “As a result of this Pilate made efforts to release Him, but the Jews cried out saying, ‘If you release this Man, you are no friend of Caesar; everyone who makes himself out to be a king opposes Caesar.’"
Likewise, Herod, the Roman emperor in 37 AD, was yet in bed with the Jewish leaders who were ecstatic about his execution of James, the brother of John. Herod wanted so much to please them he arrested the Apostle Peter, intending to kill him, too. Of course, out of respect for the Jewish feasts, he waited to do so until after the Jewish Passover. Acts 12:2 “When he [Herod] had seized him [Peter], he put him in prison, delivering him to four squads of soldiers to guard him, intending after the Passover to bring him out before the people [Jewish leaders].” Of course, this was not God’s plan, as Peter was miraculously delivered from that prison.
I could go on and on about the adulterous relationship of the Jews and the Roman government of that time, but I’m going to establish how the last-day ‘Church’, who is called ‘the Bride of Christ’, has been poisoned by this same adulterous relationship…specifically beginning with the Roman Catholic diocese.
Rome’s State Church
If we read Acts 19, we will see what was going on in the Roman Empire at that time. There were Jewish exorcists (let’s align these with Catholic Priests) attempting to cast out devils. Surely, their claim to being ‘God’s chosen’ should have enabled them to exorcise without getting overpowered. The demon certainly revealed why it could attack them: “I recognize Jesus, and I know about Paul, but who are you?”
In this chapter, we also see those who were profiting by making and selling shrines and idols of the goddess Artemis, aka Diana, aka Ishtar (pronounced 'Easter'), all known as the “Eternal Virgin”. This goddess (by different names, depending on what part of the empire one visited) was known as the “Queen of Heaven”. Similarly, shrines to and idols of the Virgin Mary, since called "The Queen of Heaven" by the RCC (as well as angels and canonized saints) are yet crafted and used in Catholic churches throughout the world. What does the Bible have to say about the “Queen of Heaven”?
- Jer 7:18 “The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods in order to spite Me.”
- Jer 44:24-27 “… you have spoken with your mouths and fulfilled it with your hands, saying, ‘We will certainly perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn sacrifices to the queen of heaven and pour out drink offerings to her.’…‘As the Lord GOD lives. Behold, …all…will meet their end by the sword and by famine until they are completely gone.”
Back in the time of Acts 19, the gospel of Jesus Christ was saving souls and disrupting Rome’s main source of income, which resulted in quite a commotion! Let’s now read vs. 38-39 “So then, if Demetrius and the craftsmen who are with him have a complaint against any man the courts are in session and proconsuls are available; let them bring charges against one another. But if you want anything beyond this, it shall be settled in the lawful assembly.” It’s obvious the courts, proconsuls and lawful assemblies supported the worship of this goddess and the income she generated.
In the third and fourth centuries, AD, Roman emperors became increasingly involved in the church, funding construction of church buildings, presiding over church councils, and even becoming involved in the appointment of bishops. The state church of the Roman Empire was organized during the 4th century and came to represent the Empire's sole authorized religion.
So, they had ONE religion of the day, one that yet exists in this day. The Roman Catholic Church (RCC) is the Mother of all ‘Protestant’ churches that protested their many pagan practices, resulting in mass martyrdom throughout the subsequent centuries of the Inquisition (suppression of heresy). The whole purpose of the Inquisition was to make Roman Catholicism the one-world, universal Church.
In order to appease the ‘World’, the RCC embraced all kinds of pagan practices of the Roman Empire to gain converts. Many, including I, have written about these things (and this is just the tip of the iceberg)!:
- Founded the ‘church’ on the Apostle Peter, rather than on Christ Jesus alone – 1 Cor 10:4
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Claimed/claim to be God’s vicegerent on earth, in that the Pope can modify God’s divine Law - Dan 7:25
- Took out the second Holy Commandment of God in order to carve and worship graven images – Ex 20:4; Rev 22:19
- *Introduced the doctrine of the Trinity (God in three, distinct ‘persons') – Ex 20:1-3
- *Altered bible passages such as Mat 28:19 (The Catholic Encyclopedia, 2, pg 263) and 1 John 5:7 (aka The Comma Johannium) to promote the Trinity doctrine – Rev 22:18
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Ordained infant baptism - nowhere in the Bible
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Forbade marriage of priests and nuns – 1 Tim 4:2-3
- Claimed to be able to forgive sins (their members could actually purchase the forgiveness of their sins, accumulating ‘indulgence’ money for the church). – Luke 5:21; Mat 21:12
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Practice repetitive prayers (‘hail Mary’), as the ‘heathen do’ – Mat 6:7
- Brought in the practices of fertility god worship:
- Declaring December 25th as the birth date of Jesus
- Christmas trees, wreaths, mistletoe, the hearth god renamed St. Nicholas
- Renaming the 40-day, pre-Easter practice of mourning Tammuz, Ishtar's son, to the ’40 Days of Lent’ (Eze 8:14)
- Worshiping Ishtar (celebrating Easter) by renaming the Virgin Mary the ‘Queen of Heaven’, allowing rabbits and eggs
Etc. Etc. Etc.
* The LORD (YHVH) is the Father (the Holy Spirit) who came in the flesh of Jesus Christ, the Son. I invite you to read Let Me Tell You WHO GOD IS!
Separation of Church and State
If the ‘clay’ represents the ‘Church’ and the ‘iron’ the state (government), what is to be said about the state-church religion? While the RCC set itself up as ‘the Universal Church’, she was in bed with Rome and still is. Even her daughters (the Protestants), who mean well, still believe and practice many of her pagan traditions in ignorance. The ‘state church’ is the ‘world church’. It is NOT a mixture of iron and clay, by any means. The True Church (Potter's clay) WILL NOT MIX with this 'iron' heirarchy!
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
“The concept of the separation of church and state refers to the distance in the relationship between organized religion and the nation state.
The concept of separation has been adopted in a number of countries, to varying degrees depending on the applicable legal structures and prevalent views toward the proper role of religion in society. A similar but typically stricter principle of laïcité has been applied in France and Turkey, while some socially secularized countries such as Norway, Denmark and the UK have maintained constitutional recognition of an official state religion. The concept parallels various other international social and political ideas, including secularism, disestablishment, religious liberty, and religious pluralism. Whitman (2009) observes that in many European countries, the state has, over the centuries, taken over the social roles of the church, leading to a generally secularized public sphere.[1]
The First Amendment to the United States Constitution states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
IRS Tax Code 501c3
Did you know the majority of all U.S. churches, regardless of denomination, are contracted with the government with IRS 501c3 status? Referencing an article entitled State-Owned Churches Are Killing America “The now infamous 501(c)(3) section of the Internal Revenue Code (IRC) goes back to 1936 (the seeds of this Venus Fly Trap date back to 1872). But then-Senator Lyndon Johnson was the Dr. Frankenstein who, in 1954, unleashed this monster upon America. His motivation was: he did not like the way pastors and churches were opposing his liberal agenda, and he wanted to use the power of law to silence them. He, therefore, introduced verbiage to the IRC that churches were prohibited from influencing political legislation and supporting political campaigns, or risk losing their tax-exempt status.”
“…they [church clergy] will compromise or sacrifice any and every Bible doctrine or principle in order to preserve their tax-exempt status and stay on the smiley side of the IRC.”
Talk about SILENCE OF THE LAMBS! Did you KNOW that, instead of a Bible, Lyndon B. Johnson took the Presidential oath of office on a Roman Catholic missal (a book containing all the prayers and responses necessary for celebrating the mass throughout the year)? Coincidence?
The 501c3 churches are NOT to speak against ANYTHING the state or federal government considers ‘legal’ or ‘lawful’. Do YOU wonder WHY we see “Christian” churches ordaining homosexual ministers, marrying homosexual couples, NOT preaching against abortion, pornography, gambling and the like (how much MONEY is generated by these things?), taking down crosses and brandishing American flags? WHY are the majority of “New Covenant” preachers brain-washing their members to TITHE in order to gain ‘filthy lucre’ (1 Tim 1:11; 3:3, 8; Titus 1:7; 1 Pet 5:2), ‘rebuke the devourer’ and ‘not rob God’ (Malachi 3:8 and 11)? WHY is it that they must have 501c3 status in order to give their tithers their tax write-off? Churches don’t want to pay taxes; tithers want their tax credit.
WHY is American politics in perpetual decline? The mutual agreement between the IRS and the churches that the pulpits remain silent about these matters!
How are churches manipulated into getting in bed with the government? Just as the tithing passages are abused and misrepresented from the pulpits, the government misuses Romans 13:1-7, which states (NAS):
Be Subject to Government
“Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake. For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.”
Interesting that this passage clearly states, “because of this you also PAY TAXES….Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due…”
Churches, you need to understand:
- “It has been reported that Adolph Hitler's favorite section of the Bible was Romans 13:1-7. He reportedly used these verses to justify everything from war to the murder of millions of Jews.”
- All Governments are Not Ordained by God: http://www.christianblog.com/blog/blessings2you/all-governments-are-not-ordained-by-god/
- Acts 5:29 “But Peter and the apostles answered, ‘We must obey God rather than men.’”
- Consider the law of the land that condemned Daniel to the lions’ den (Dan 6) and earlier, Hananiah, Mishael and Azariah (renamed pagan god-names of Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego) to the fiery furnace (Dan 3)! Why? They refused to disobey GOD by following the ‘law of the land’.
The Birth of CHRISLAM
On Sunday, June 26, 2011 the new rumored ‘One-World Religion’ was founded. It is called ‘Chrislam”. It is the COMBINATION of those who profess to be Christians and those who follow Islam. Both are to congregate together, reading from the Bible and the Qur’an, focusing on their ‘common ground’. The prominent Rick Warren who wrote “The Purpose-Driven Life” and Robert Schuller of the Crystal Cathedral have shocked the Christian community in catapulting this heretical movement.
Why is it heretical? What are the FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCES in these two ‘religions’?
1. Christianity holds to the fact that Jesus Christ is divine, God in the flesh. Islam denies Jesus is divine. He is a mere prophet and definitely NOT God’s Son, let alone God.
2. Christianity believes Jesus Christ died on the cross. Islam denies Jesus ever died on a cross.
3. Christianity believes salvation is by faith in Jesus Christ. Muslims do not know whether or not their god, Allah, will save them until after death.
4. Christianity believes God is the Father; Jesus is His Son. The god of Islam, Allah, is NOT a father, nor does he have a son.
We MUST look at 1 John 2:22: “Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.”
Islam is not just a religion; it is a Law. Have you ever heard of Sharia? It is the goal of Islam to infiltrate and implement Sharia Law in all the world by 2050. Just read “The Third Jihad”. Islam is allowed to LIE in order to deceive and further the cause of converting others to Islam or to destroy those who refuse to convert. They have the practice of making peace treaties to initially deceive, and then break them in order to conquer. This is known as “hudna”.
What does the Word say the Antichrist will do? He will claim to come in peace (Islam claims to be a religion of peace). He will confirm a covenant (agreement), only to break it half-way through. He is called the ‘son of perdition’ (destruction). Judas was called the ‘son of perdition’; JUDAS was a devil (John 6:70) and a TRAITOR (Mat 26:24).
Do the 'sheep' of such 'Pied Piper shepherds' not see that they may be fed to the wolves in time? Either convert or be killed. Getting in bed with the Antichrist is the worst form of TREASON or what the LORD calls HARLOTRY!! Get OUT of that BED!!!
Is Chrislam the result of the wealthiest churches/leaders compromising to such a degree, in order to please the world government and retain their tax-exempt status or are they actually being given even more tax exemptions for promoting such a movement? The ‘love of money is the ROOT of ALL EVIL’ (1 Tim 6:10). Jesus Christ, who is the perfect Truth said in Mat 6:24, "You cannot serve God and mammon [money]."
Truly, 2 Thes 2:11-12 warn us that “God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”
The Temptation of Christ-ians
Sheep, those of you who follow ONLY the LORD, Jesus Christ are the ‘clay’, for He alone is your Potter. The one-world government and religion are NOT of God and we will NOT bow down to them or worship them. We will not mix with them.
2 Cor 6:14-16 (NLT) “Don't team up with those who are unbelievers. How can righteousness be a partner with wickedness? How can light live with darkness? What harmony can there be between Christ and the devil? How can a believer be a partner with an unbeliever? And what union can there be between God's temple and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God said: ‘I will live in them and walk among them. I will be their God, and they will be My people.’”
Mat 4:8-10
“Again, the devil took Him to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. ‘All this I will give you,’ he said, ‘if you will bow down and worship me.’
Jesus said to him, ‘Away from Me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.’
Then the devil left Him, and angels came and attended Him.”
Jer 51:45 “COME OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! RUN FROM THE FIERCE ANGER OF THE LORD!”
Rev 18:4 “COME OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE, SO THAT YOU WILL NOT SHARE IN HER SINS, SO THAT YOU WILL NOT RECEIVE ANY OF HER PLAGUES!”
Dan 2:41 & 44 “In that you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, it will be a divided kingdom; but it will have in it the toughness of iron, inasmuch as you saw the iron mixed with common clay… In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed, and that kingdom will not be left for another people; it will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, but it will itself endure forever.”
1 Pet 4:17 Judgment begins with the Household of GOD
- Chrislam: The Rise of The One World Religion | NuCreature Ministry
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Blessings to you, brother Jachda! This was a flood of a message this morning and throughout the day ~ a hard message to write about. You're right: "Truth is never easy to receive, usually because it exposes the lie and presents it for all to see and understand. Why would someone oppose the truth unless it affected them personally thus bringing forth from the depths of their hardened hearts their true nature for all to see?"
See, the children of God do not submit to 'gag orders' or 'hush money/exemptions". Many are blowing the trumpet of warning and judgment and pray that those who feel muzzled will shed it and shout from the mountaintops! They may face wordly consequences for breaking their silence and leaving the confines of the 501c3, but they should fear the wrath of God even more ~ rather, that they should gain His reward!!
The love of money, pride and greed ruled the SINagogues of Jesus' day and that corruption has never left the organized 'churches' either. Some have not been scathed...and those are the ones spared thus far and called to blow the trumpet!!
Your heart is full and I am so blessed you shared. We stand together in understanding and prayer for what is yet to come ~ all to the glory of God.
"pope kissing the Koran" seriously, blow up that image, I can do better photoshop than that, much better. Second wow your religious intolerance is frightening.
Hello Josak, I realize this is a hard message. Based on this article:http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=325108 (and many others)
"On May 14th I was received by the Pope, together with a delegation composed of the Shi’ite imam of Khadum mosque and the Sunni president of the council of administration of the Iraqi Islamic Bank. There was also a representative of the Iraqi ministry of religion. I renewed our invitation to the Pope, because his visit would be for us a grace from heaven. It would confirm the faith of Christians and prove the Pope’s love for the whole of humanity in a country which is mainly Muslim.
At the end of the audience the Pope bowed to the Muslim holy book, the Qu’ran, presented to him by the delegation, and he kissed it as a sign of respect. The photo of that gesture has been shown repeatedly on Iraqi television and it demonstrates that the Pope is not only aware of the suffering of the Iraqi people, he has also great respect for Islam."
I think the word you should have used as to my intolerance is not 'religion', but 'religiosity'. Jesus was intolerant of such when He called those who eventually put Him on the cross, "brude of vipers" (Mat 12:34) and "of your father the devil" (John 8:44), wouldn't you say?
Ok I am allways honest in a debate so I am quite willing to apologise for my error, the low quality of the image led to my conclusion it was faked, accept my apologies on that matter. On the other hand while the image fills you with horror it fills me with hope that the worlds religions will learn to live in harmony. Furthermore Jesus rather famously asked forgiveness for his tormentors as for the "adulterous" relationship of Rome and the jews it was simply this, the Romans held the area only tenously and sought to avoid a costly war to put down a rebellion in the area, its pure pragmatism, it is also worth noting that the bible says: "If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through." (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Given these orders I think any faithfull man would have felt it his duty to kill Jesus, after all he claimed the name of the lord with no good reason to be believed, I can hardly blame the Jews.
Apology accepted, Josak. I understand what you are trying to say, in that 'ignorance' is the reason for killing Christ Jesus, right? Let's discuss this for a moment.
Truly, the Bible says in 1 Cor 2:7-8 "But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory."
Jesus HAD to die on that cross and God is Sovereign. The Jews were the beloved of God, however if they were 'saved', He would not have called those who put Him on the cross 'sons of the devil', nor would He have called Judas who betrayed Him 'a devil'.
Because Jesus had to die on the cross, and the whole reason was for the forgiveness of sins and salvation of His people, He pleaded "Father, forgive them, for they know NOT what they DO." (Luke 23:34) They crucified Him for blasphemy (claiming to be God). To call the Holy Spirit, working in and through Jesus, unclean is blaspheming the Holy Spirit, which Jesus called the 'unforgivable sin' (Mark 3:29; Luke 12:10).
We can no longer use ignorance as an excuse for what we do. Acts 17:30-31 (NIV) "In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now He commands all people everywhere to repent. For He has set a day when He will judge the world with justice by the man He has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising Him from the dead."
All religions living in harmony is a 'world concept'. Jesus said, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me." 1 John 2:15 tells us, "Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him." Likewise, James 4:4 states, "You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God."
The Bible is the Word of God recorded (and yes, altered as shown in this hub); nonetheless, we have passages that were NOT altered, even from the Old Testament, that tell the followers of YHVH, the LORD Jesus Christ, NOT to bow down to 'religiosity' and other gods. We must not sell our souls.
Rom 6:16 shows us this is our choice: "Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?"
Judah's Daughter, dear sister thru Christ, It's been such a long time since I read anything from you, I thought you might have dropped out of the Hub Church. Welcome back! It is good to read from you again.
As I was reading through your writing here, I got down to the part of exorcising of evil demons, and the Holy spirit turned on a light for me. Jesus Himself sent out His 12 Apostles, 2 by 2 with the power to cast out demons. "Legion" was amongst them. Again the 12 Apostles plus 70 more desciples were dispatched with the same power to cast out demons.
As I read further I see your list of ( 10 ) and you have me puzzles with # 4, especially dealing with the Trinity.
The RCC acknowledges a Triune God and acknowledges The Father and The Son Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
When Jesus performed his acts of healing, or raised the dead He prayed to His Father, our Father to perform the miracles, although he could have done them Himself, He chose to glorify the Father.
Now I've reached the section on tithing and tax forms. I do agree that we should render unto the Lord His tithe, but I do so through cash donations better known as giving alms. Most if not all churches have a "POOR BOX" inwhich one can make anonymous donations. I do this and neither ask for or expect a receipt. My receipt is in God's Blessings.
Hello, brother Dave. You know, I only write when the LORD places something heavy on my heart ~ so, even I don't know when I'm going to write next...but, I'm glad to hear from you.
My point on the exorcism of demons is not that believers can't do so (they absolutely can, as you've stated). Rather, we see the demon stating to the seven sons of the Jewish chief priest, Sceva, that were in bed with Rome, “I recognize Jesus, and I know about Paul, but who are you?” It didn't matter their 'position' in the 'Church' (aka synagogue). The demons did not know them any more than the LORD did.
Similarly, it was the Catholic diocese that was in bed with Rome (i.e. Constantine) when they were founded and implemented so many pagan traditions, altering the Word of God, etc. It is THEY who are known, even to this day, for demon-exorcism in the majority of reported cases, is it not? MOST demonic encounters, possessions and exocisms are entwined with Catholicism. I suppose it's because they've opened so many demonic doors by praying to and through the dead, if you ask me. King Saul and his son were killed for attempting to communicate with Samuel, who had died (1 Sam 28)!
Being a Catholic priest is equivalent to being a Jewish priest of the day. That's the point. Now, we see the Pope kissing the Qur'an ~ they STILL seek to be the 'Universal Church', whatever the cost/compromise.
Prior to the Catholic church's doctrine of the 'Trinity', which teaches that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit ARE each God (as in three, separate/distinct persons, each is not the other = polytheism), the early Church believed that God IS the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit ~ not three 'persons' ~ what is labeled 'modalism' or 'monarchianism'. Since the birth of the 'Trinity' (Three united) doctrine, modalism or monarchianism is considered heresy by THEM. There's definitely something wrong there. The Father (Who is the Holy Spirit) did His works through the flesh of the Son, God with us. Jesus always has been the visible image of the invisible God. In the Old Testament, He was immortal ~ for His 33 years on earth, He was mortal (His flesh only) ~ for eternity He is yet immortal. No man can see God and live, so we see God when we see Jesus Christ; amen. As the Son of Man, Jesus spoke as we do, as our example. As God, Jesus spoke as God (even while in the flesh). That is all throughout the New Testament (and Old). If we just compare Isaiah to Revelation, it is very clear Who Jesus Christ IS.
It's awesome that you give without receipts for tax purposes. If all of God's children did that, we would know what it is to give, without expecting anything in return (i.e. tax return). AND, our pastors would not be SILENT about SIN. God is about motive/the heart/the intent. The Catholic Church teaches tithing (and so do her off-shoots) ~ and even offered forgiveness of sin through indulgence payments. That's fully corrupt!!
I was thinking today about the great 'Apostacy' that is to come before the coming of our LORD. Is it that the churches are being exposed ~ they're in bed with the government, just as they were before the first coming of the LORD? We already know religions such as Islam expect to rule the world, under their god of destruction.
The saints (believers in Christ) are given the inheritance of the earth through Christ. The LORD reigns and will reign forever. No other god and certainly, not those who have betrayed the LORD by getting in bed with the Antichrist (aka the god of this world, the god of mammon), will ever see it.
Let me say, you do your studying and put together a strong essay. Personally, I think you are off a bit on some of your symbolism. I wouldn't look for the Catholic Church to be the problem. I would look more towards the Dome of the Rock.
We will find out soon enough. The fig tree has already budded.
I can't say the Catholic Church is NOT the problem, or any less of a problem than Islam. I've shown the paganism and harlotry of the RCC and furthermore, the great harlotry of the churches that branched off the RCC, in that many are also not only in bed with the government, but getting in bed with the Dome of the Rock religion. I'd call that pretty serious, WD Curry 111. I do appreciate you coming by to read and commenting. Thank you.
Judah's Daughter dear sister: Re the status of the RC.priests God appointed the Levites I believe to be the priests for the Hebrews during the time of Moses. That would make the pope I guess, the 'High Priest.
Re: Our Triune God and the trinity please see:
KJV GENESIS: 1: 1&2 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. And the earth was without form and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the 'Spirit of God' moved upon the face of the waters."
Although I have absolutely no knowledge of "Hebrew Text" or how this appears in the Torah the text of the Hebrews, it would appear that God our Father, and the Holy Spirit are two distinct members of the God head.
Furthermore in GENESIS: 1: 26 we read "And God said Let 'US' make man in 'OUR' image, after 'OUR' likeness:"
This again indicates that in the creation of man, God did not work alone, but that either God and the Holy Spirit or, God and Christ the son of God worked together to create man.
If God is the Father and The Son and the Holy Spirit, together as one as you intimate, then who is almighty God referring to in Genesis:1:2, Genesis:1:26 and
Matt: 3: 16-17
Furthermore though Jesus tells us "I and the Father are one" Jesus establishes that there are two seperate distict personages in God, and the Holy Spirit would make a third.
As for my giving without receiving a receipt, God commands us to tithe, it is our obligation as children of God to obey our Father. God didn't say 'Give' and I'll issue a receipt later. Even Jesus taught, "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar and unto God that which is God's" Jesus never told us that He'd make sure we got a receipt for our giving.
Hi Dave, while the point of this hub is not to discuss the Trinity vs. Modalism/Monarchianism, I will answer your questions because I love you and that’s just what sisters do for brothers. I am rejoicing over the things God has been showing you (i.e. that the Church was not founded upon Peter) and know He is yet teaching all of us, by His grace and glory.
Let’s assume ‘Dave’ is The Spirit and is invisible (John 4:24; Col 1:15; 2 Cor 3:17). Now, let’s insert Dave’s name in Gen 1:1-2 “In the beginning Dave created the heavens and the earth. And the earth was without form and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the 'Spirit of Dave' moved upon the face of the waters.” Conclusion: The Spirit of Dave IS Dave.
In GENESIS: 1: 26 we read "And said Dave, ‘Make man in our image, after our likeness’” The actual Hebrew states, “Said God make man in our image, after our likeness”. Who was God speaking to? “Elohim”, which is His angels and magistrates, who were created before man. Man governs on earth as they govern in heaven. If you really look at the Greek text of even John 1:1-2 it states, “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was TO God [theon/elohim] (as an object) and God [Theos/Elohim, aka YHWH] (as the subject) was the Word”. Ref Ps 82:6 & John 10:34. And prophetically, God, the Word, was TO us in Emmanuel.
Jesus is YHVH and there is only One LORD (Eph 4:5). Isaiah 44:24 clearly states, “Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, ‘I [singular], the LORD, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself [singular] And spreading out the earth all alone [singular].” Now, let’s go to John 1:3 “All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him [Jesus] Nothing came into being that has come into being.”
In Mat 3:16-17, the flesh and Spirit of God is present. This explains “I and the Father are One”. In fact, if you read the rest of that passage, the Jews said, “You, being a man, make yourself out to be God” (and they knew only ONE God) – Ref John 10:30-33. At the baptism of Christ, the dove is the form the Spirit of God took, just as the flesh was where the Spirit of God fully dwelt. The Spirit of God in Christ was/is immortal; the flesh of God in Christ was mortal. Jesus was born of the Spirit (God the Father) by the Virgin Mary. If the Holy Spirit were not “the Father”, “the Father” wouldn’t be “the Father”, the Holy Spirit would be. Jesus did not “receive” the Holy Spirit at His baptism. This was the sign prophesied to John the Baptist for him to know that Yehowshua (YHWH the Savior), the Lamb of God, Emmanuel (God with us) was right there. John 1:33 “I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, 'He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.'”
Our invisible God manifested Himself in many ways throughout Scripture. If the Son is one manifestation ‘person’ of God, the dove another ‘person’, then we must also consider at least five more manifestations ‘persons’: immortal flesh to Abraham and Jacob (Gen 18:2; 19:1; Gen 32:24, 28, 30); the Angel of the LORD (Ex 3:2; Josh 5:13; 6:2; Jud 6:11, 14), the Rock at Horeb (Ex 17:6. 1 Cor 10:4), and clouds and fire (Num 14:14). Why stop at ‘three persons’ and not go with ‘seven persons’? And let’s not go starting a new doctrine about the ‘seven spirits of God’ ~ NO connection.
The Levitical Priesthood was ended in Hebrews 7:11-14 “If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest [singular – that is Christ Jesus alone] to come—one [singular] in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law. He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and NO ONE from that tribe has ever served at the altar. For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe MOSES SAID NOTHING ABOUT PRIESTS.” Tithing is NOT a New Covenant command of God. You’ve been brain-washed by those who love filthy lucre. Giving is the New Covenant Way (not even a command), for it is not out of compulsion (law), but of the heart. I have a whole hub on that topic: http://judahsdaughter.hubpages.com/_ui1xcnn62gpk/h
Did you KNOW that ‘tithing’ was never even about money?? You’d be surprised how many expect to be ‘let into heaven’ for ‘tithing’ ~ they may even get buried with those tax receipts!
You know I love you. If I can help you to see the LORD more clearly in these matters of doctrine, glory to Him alone. Blessings.
You have a point there. The religions of the world could very well combine into one behind a popular, charismatic leader who brings hope and prosperity to all.
Don't take the mark. I have been scoping out some woods with a lot of game, ponds, and forage. (Just joking a little) Walk in the Spirit. He may want me to stay in town.
Yours in Christ, Chip
What's amazing to me, WD Curry 111, is seeing the prophecy of scripture come to light right before our eyes. This should place the fear of God in us. He is showing all who believe the trap and snare they may have gotten sucked into and He's made the way of escape, a chance to repent and turn it around before He comes to Judge permanently.
We can't see, if He doesn't open our eyes. We can't hear, if He doesn't open our ears. If we are truly His, we will see and hear unto life. Satan comes to steal, kill and destroy ~ he is the god of this world who blinds the minds of the 'unbelieving' (blind, pro-fessing 'Christians'/Muslims, etc.)! We will know Satan and his followers by their fruit. All must be exposed. Jesus is the Light and He exposes darkness. This is truly amazing.
When it comes to knowing who the real Jesus is, we must remember the words of our LORD in John 10:27-28 "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand." That's a promise, for we have the seal of God on OUR foreheads! (Eph 4:30; Rev 9:4). Our LORD Jesus will NOT impose a 'must-take mark', as the false Christ will. And we will hear the voice of our LORD. Praise God!
Thank you, and God bless His kids as we travel through the times ahead, straight into His arms.
You are on fire! The mark might not be so easily identified as we think. Sometimes, I wonder if it is allegorical, and represents what we put our hands and mind to doing. What if we aren't required to get a "tattoo", and it is more subtle than that?
Then again, in Deuteronomy, the children of Israel were distinctly forbidden to take a mark upon their bodies (abomination). I guess we better be hearing well, either way.
Judah's Daughter: Thank you for the patience to clarify things for me. I am very appreciative of your efforts to assist me. May the love of God be upon you always, and may we both continue to glorify our God.
Oh, halleluYAH, WD Curry 111. If you read my hub "Islam and Revelation": http://judahsdaughter.hubpages.com/_ui1xcnn62gpk/h there is a video in there of Walid Shoebat, an ex-PLO Muslim Terrorist, who looked at the '666' in the Codex and recognized the symbols, for they were not numbers. The symbols shocked him because they were Arabic, Muslim symbols that read "In the name of / Allah / and the two swords of jihad". Muslims wear headbands and arm bands with such things printed on them.
Is the mark of the beast as simple as refusing to wear a headband or arm band? All we do know is we won't be able to buy or sell without compliance. I think of the Jews in those concentration camps that were marked by their captors. This was certainly not willfull and didn't mean they could not buy or sell. It meant they belonged to the death camp, like branding animals. So, we shouldn't fear that type of mark.
Oh, may we keep watch, as Watchmen and Trumpet-blowers ~ we, the lambs of God, shall NOT be silenced by any type of bargaining 'chip'. God bless you, brother!!!
Brother Dave, God sees your heart and I do, also. You are dearly loved. Your heart seeks to please the LORD and He knows it!!! Praise God; I will remain your sister ~ throughout eternity.
I have learned something for the 10th time. We all have different gifts, different insights, and different personalities. I have a hard time following intense studies like this, not that I don't have a couple of my own.
I hardly quote scripture verbatim, even for a lesson. Your work is scripture intensive, I have had my fill of scripture intensive studies. I have been in the trenches. Not everyone has had my experience, and your studies fill a need and stimulate their own studies. You have done a masters thesis here, at least the foundation for one.
We are very different in our approach, our emphasis, and understanding. Somehow, we come to the same conclusion. We don't get headlights, "Be a lamp unto my feet."
This is a very exciting time in history!
Oh, the trenches, WD Curry 111! We all have a testimony, don't we? Rev 12:11 comes to mind "And they overcame him [Satan] because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even when faced with death." I have a life to testify about as well, yet I only do so, if I feel that it will benefit the hearer and bring glory to the LORD. Our hard times are there to TEACH US ONE THING: Compassion. We can relate to those who are where we were, amen! We are broken and rely on the LORD because we've realized we are not able to control all those things that have worn us down. Yet, those very things have strengthened us. Truly, we are built up and strengthened by the LORD Himself.
Why do I rely so much on scriptures? Because I would otherwise not know anything ~ really. I did not have the priviledge of 'higher learning' in this world. However, I believe it was God's divine hand because I also was not 'indoctrinated' into that system of thinking. Even to consider going to 'Bible college' brings a caution to my heart, for each one is bent on this doctrine or that...
1 John 2:27 comforts me when I feel so 'simple': "As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him." Amen. I appreciate you, WD Curry 111. Thank you and bless your heart.
You do have a good knowledge, however Truth of God is such that it comes not by the interpretations of the mind but by the revelations of the Spirit to the understanding that "Where knowledge is to the mind recognition is to the Spirit for in it is all the Knowledge" to the words of Jesus of the manner "You neither know the Father nor the Son but them unto whom the Son pleases to reveal" which again pertains to the revelation of "Arc of the Covenant" envisioned & foreseen by Prophet Jeremiah as the new Covenant to a personal relationship with God in His mercy revealed in the Spirit Individually(one by one)) to the gathering unto Himself. This answer comes in just two words "yea or nay", to your confusion that lies in the words "One Holy Catholic & Apostolic Church" again refers to the words of St. Jude "The Faith that was once delivered unto the saints", the way to Faith in Jesus is found there in, again the Humble one of God, Mary(the sign of God)to the great sign of rev. Ch 12 as an integral one in the Arc of the Covenant, not to be again confused with the Isis to the diana to the durga, kali or the parvathi (for in a thousand false, there is one truth)to the Babylonian Harlot denoted today in the entity in the statue of liberty, to the sexual liberty which basically forms the liberty to sin as openly seen today via the laws coming out from the mouth of "The Beast", thus un veiling Biblical revelations.
abeyasha, “You neither know the Father nor the Son but them unto whom the Son pleases to reveal" (Mat 11:27) is revealed in John 14:7-9, 22 “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him. Philip said to Him, ‘Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.’ Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father '?"…”Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, ‘Lord, what then has happened that You are going to disclose Yourself to us and not to the world?’"
As I stated to you in my hub, “Karma and Christianity”, I don’t know whether you are Catholic or Hindu, since you rightfully compare the Catholic ‘Trinity’ to the “Trinity of Hinduism projected as one Body with 3 heads.” The concept of the ‘Trinity’ is pagan. Understand ‘Babylon’! Whatever ‘revelation of the spirit’ you have received is not of the Spirit of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, which IS the Spirit of Christ Jesus. “Hear, O Israel, the LORD our GOD is ONE LORD” (Deut 2:31). ‘One’ is the Hebrew word ‘Echad’ - an adjective ‘one, a; — masculine singular’. – as in ‘one’ rib from Adam’s side (Gen 2:21), ‘one’ mountain (Gen 2:22), ‘one’ cherub (Ex 25:19), ‘one’ ram (Lev 16:5) and ‘one’ trumpet (Num 10:4). God became a man to shed His holy blood for us on the cross (Acts 20:28). He loves us that much. I pray you will ‘see’ and ‘hear’ from the Holy Spirit of the One, True God (1 John 5:20). God is Spirit (John 4:24); the LORD is the Spirit (2 Cor 3:17) and Jesus Christ is LORD (1 Cor 12:3). Amen.
Judah's Daughter: For if that which is yet to be revealed in Mathew is revealed in John which is about the same time, then it becomes Contradictory & as God does not contradict, that which is stated in Mathew is not to the one stated in John for that which is in Mathew concerns the fulness of Christ coming in the fulness of time to the Gathering of God to his people unto Himself one by one as spoken by the prophets of old which in the revelation(stated in Mathew) is the covenant revealed individually in the Spirit. The Bible consists of the old & new testaments which is to the continuation unto the fulfillments.
abeyasha, The New Testament is to be interpreted by the Old and not the other way around, amen? Amen.
Let’s look at a comparison of Matthew and John – keep in mind the RCC altered Mat 28:19 (shame), which they’ve admitted: "The Baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the 2nd century (The Catholic Encyclopedia, 2, pg 263)" In fact, that verse originally said nothing about baptism. They also inserted what is known as the Johannine Comma (or Comma Johannium), which is the ‘Trinitarian’ wording of 1 John 5:7 (8). The Vatican said: “In recent times the doubts concerning its authenticity have grown and the Holy Office, in 1927, declared that, after careful examination of the whole circumstances, its genuineness could be denied." (Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, p. 56)’”
Mat 24:36 KJV and original Greek: “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.” Interesting how other versions have inserted ‘nor the Son’, yet this verse is not even included in the gospel of John. Do you know what the idiom of ‘of that day and hour knoweth no man’? It’s directly associated with the ‘Feast of Trumpets’ aka ‘Rosh HaShanah’. It is known as the feast of the ‘Day and Hour no man knows’. Jesus DOES know when He’s returning…for He IS the Father (John 14:7).
If ANYTHING is contradictory in the Word, ask God to show you the ‘tares’. I have shown you a couple of them already…ask God to ‘open your mind that you may understand the Scriptures’ (Luke 24:45). Blessings abundantly to you, in HIS NAME ~ YaHoWsHuah (YHWH Saves). All glory to His Name.
Judah's Daughter: My dear, there you go again "Interpretations" interpreting the word of God is interpreting God for even satan the god of this world does not try to Interpret God, read the book of Job very carefully for he speaks only when spoken to & such is the case of any one standing before God, so is the case to be to a book inspired by God & to this The Spirit is sent to the understanding which comes as revelation. John 14:7 does not say He is the Father, for what you just did is to leaven it to the saying it means, sort of means that way, not so again to the warning of Jesus 'Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees---" which in the continuous interpreting of the laws has eventually come as the Talmud, become a book of speculations, for that which is Divine does not speculate. All your confusion arise to misunderstanding the Trinty in the perfection of one God & to the fulness of Christ which is to the very name "JESUS CHRIST". Beloved, get out of that word interpretation & get into the word Spirit & then live by it to become precious to Him so as to reveal Himself to you in the fulness which is the Covenant, to become the Apple of His eye, the Spiritual Israel in the regathering, always remembering that God is a Righteous God & not, never to be mocked at, that which David learned in the very beginning to the Fear of God, but to Physical Israel today in the indulgences is far from knowing this, but to the knowledge of the Spiritual.
Mark 7:9 “And He said unto them, ‘Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.’”
Ps 23:1 “The LORD [yeh-ho-vaw' YHVH] is my Shepherd…”; Jesus said in John 10:14, “I AM [Ego Eimi] the good Shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me.”
Mat 10:38 “anyone who does not take his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me.”
Mark 6:11 "Any place that does not receive you or listen to you, as you go out from there, shake the dust off the soles of your feet for a testimony against them."
One day you will, for all will stand before the Christ in the fulness of the Glory to which you have not till now, pray that it be on the basis of the Covenant which comes in HIS Mercy & not to the Judgement. In the mean time try to get to understand Him more to His fulness in the Spirit & Truth, & be with Him in His intention of not to condemn or try to condemn others but to save, for your own sake.
abeyasha, Rom 2:1 "Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things [the things you are accusing me of]."
Speaking of judgment, wheat and tares are not able to be identified until the fruit is fully formed, at which time the harvesters [angels] will separate them (Mat 13:26, 30) unto judgment or reward.
1 Corinthians 11:19 "For there must also be factions among you, so that those who are approved may become evident among you."
So be it, amen.
St.Jude: Yet Michel the Archangel,when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke you.
The revelation to this lies in your own backyard, but please dont try interpreting it, for by your way you would be blinded even more than now. So long.
Jude 1:9 uses the same word for ‘rebuke’ as Luke 17:3 "Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him.”
Rebuke: epitimaó to honor, to mete out due measure, hence to censure
Censure is to make a formal, often public statement of disapproval of somebody or something.
My intention was not to make railing accusations against you, abeyasha. I do not agree with your ‘god in three persons’ theology, nor do I agree that women (females) are more wicked than men (males) because of the fall. When we are redeemed in Christ, we are united in Him without distinction. You, on the other hand have made many accusations of me and basically told me to be quiet because I’m a woman. So, I rebuke you, if you are my brother in Christ. If you are not, then the LORD rebuke you and may you find salvation and the revelation of Truth that comes from it.
Jachda 3 months ago
Truth cannot be legislated, but often times those who legislate seek to suppress the truth for their own purposes, such as the IRS code for the churches, and others to numerous to mention here. What appeared to be a wonderful thing for the churches turned against them and limits them in the work they should be doing for the cause of THE LORD.
We are not fooled or deceived by the work of the enemy, and we are aware that the truth is available to those who diligently seek it. Truth is never easy to receive, usually because it exposes the lie and presents it for all to see and understand. Why would someone oppose the truth unless it affected them personally thus bringing forth from the depths of their hardened hearts their true nature for all to see?
History is replete with examples of man and his attempt to deter one from the truth, but no one man or woman has been successful in accomplishing this. However, the church has done more to cloud the issue of truth than any other organization, and lead many astray into a plethora of doctrines and ideas that have little basis in fact or reality.
I am not directing the last remark about the church to any one church in particular, but to a church that has exalted itself above the Head, and by doing so faces judgment which will surely come quickly, with the speed of an eagle diving upon its prey to snatch it from its place forever.
I do not mean to go on so, but my spirit is full and it must flow out of me, however briefly. Another great hub and I voted up, useful, awesome, and interesting. Thank you for sharing.